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General Category => Formula 1 Chat => Topic started by: Parminio on Monday, January 06, 2014
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Thought this worth putting here. Our man Mika Hakkinen sent a message to the Schumacher family. It reads in part:
"Your accident is now just another challenge," Hakkinen wrote in an email to Schumacher and his family which was published by Bild am Sonntag. "You have to fight hard again, just like we both used to do on the track."
Hakkinen himself was in a coma following an accident in qualifying for the Australian Grand Prix in 1995, and said he survived "with the help of my family and the professional support of the doctors. I am sure you are getting the same kind of help.
Do me a favour: just this once don't try to beat the clock. You don't have to post your best time in this race. You have to take all the time you need. Take it easy, Mika".
Good old Mika...always a class act.
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Saw that on F1Live. Thought it was cool.
Did you see where Lewis caught all kinds of **** for posting some of his vacation pics? He went on a ski trip and posted a few pics on his fan site and everybody lost it and jumped his ass. **** low rent morons.
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Yea, I saw that over at the Mercedes forum. De_Jokke posted a link to it and had said that people need to get a life. He's completely right.
That's why a lot of folks don't share anything with the public anymore. Some **** is always going to warp it into something bad. If Harrison Ford showed some pictures of himself and family vacationing in Saudi Arabia, the only thing you'd hear about is how he's a jerk and bastard for going there what with the slave labor practices that they're pulling over there.
Like Harry has control over that. Like it's his problem. Yea. Sure. Right.
People just want to trash people so that they can feel better about their own failed and miserable lives. That's really all there is to it.
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Any of you guys read that **** where some doctors are saying he may never wake up?
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I saw that but I'm not putting any stock in it. I think it's more bullshit conjecture to sell a few papers.
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Yea. See here:
http://en.espnf1.com/f1/motorsport/story/143651.html (http://en.espnf1.com/f1/motorsport/story/143651.html)
Good news! ;D
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Why do you think its ****? Unfortunately, its quite unlikely he will ever be fully cognisant, more likely he will only ever be semi aware at best.
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Simple: The press likes drama. It sells. It wouldn't matter if the doctors came out and said, "He's actually playing tennis right now and will be available for comment later" they'd still drum up some drama.
Michael suffered a very serious injury. They're doing the right thing and taking their time to insure that he has a full recovery.
You see, doctors don't give a **** if you want Michael waving from the balcony today. Doctors are concerned with Michael waving from the balcony 20 years from now.
It's going to be a long road for him...but he'll be fine.
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Why do you think its ****? Unfortunately, its quite unlikely he will ever be fully cognisant, more likely he will only ever be semi aware at best.
It was actually me that said it's **** and it is. Parmy is just backing me up.
First off, the people in that article admitted they were speculating. Not only that but most of the so called speculators wouldn't go on record with their actual name.
If Dr. Thomas of Johns Hopkins university gives an opinion, it's worth something. If "a leading doctor from the European union who shall remain nameless" gives an opinion, it's usually because it's either not a doctor at all, or he's being paid to come up with some bullshit the newspaper can sell. They said the same things about Robert Kubica at first: that he had lost his arm, that he may die, that it's an epic tragedy.
They sold a shitload of papers doing that. So what really happened? His arm was badly hurt. He got over it. He races rally now.
Get the point?
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I watched an interview with a leading neurosurgeon who said that given that Schumacher had two operations showed there was massive trauma, [as confirmed by his own team], and given the length of time he's been in a coma he was unlikely to ever be fully awake. At best he would be only semi conscious and extremely unlikely to ever perform basic functions like feeding himself or talking.
Now, if either you or Parminio know better than a leading Neurosurgeon in this regard, then I will bow to your greater knowledge.
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Post the link. I'd like to see that.
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It was on British tv news channel about a week ago. I think the Prof was from manchester university.
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So there's no facts again. Wonderful.
You see, that's what we're talking about: A doctor to has nothing to do with Michael's treatment, who has absolutely no facts at hand, makes remarks on a TV program that they deem unworthy to post on the internet and you give it weight?
It's like all those TV lawyers that talk about a case when they have no idea what the prosecutions evidence is, they haven't interviewed a single witness, and have no idea what the defense argument will be.
It's pure, made up guessing. Nothing more.
The only 4 guys that know are Michael's doctors. Until they speak, everybody else is just hurling around useless opinions and guesses.
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I watched an interview with a leading neurosurgeon who said that given that Schumacher had two operations showed there was massive trauma, [as confirmed by his own team], and given the length of time he's been in a coma he was unlikely to ever be fully awake. At best he would be only semi conscious and extremely unlikely to ever perform basic functions like feeding himself or talking.
Now, if either you or Parminio know better than a leading Neurosurgeon in this regard, then I will bow to your greater knowledge.
And I saw an interview with a leading outdoorsman that swears he saw bigfoot. I've also seen an interview with a leading biologist that says the Loch Ness Monster is real.
See where that gets you? If you're not the doctor working on the patient, you don't know ****. End of story.
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Conversely you dipsticks "don't know ****" either and you can't say he's gonna be OK cos you don't know. If you read what I wrote, I didn't say he was schumachers doc, I said he was a neurosurgeon who was talking about schumacher's situation based on what we all know, that being the length of time he has been in a coma and what they had reported originally about the seriousness of the brain damage.
Parminio is this why you started your own forum, so you can insult and bully posters like you did so much on sportnetwork? If so good luck with having a very successful forum.
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Conversely you dipsticks "don't know ****" either and you can't say he's gonna be OK cos you don't know.
Ummm, if you'd learn to read, that's what we've both been saying: That nobody knows but the doctors working on him. You on the other hand seem to believe any dipshit that steps up to the mic that says Michael will never recover.
You must be that banned asshat Michael hater that was named In The Pits or Herman Munster from Sportnetwork.
I said he was a neurosurgeon who was talking about schumacher's situation based on what we all know,
Which is absolutely nothing.
Parminio is this why you started your own forum, so you can insult and bully posters like you did so much on sportnetwork? If so good luck with having a very successful forum.
Pal, go back and read. You're the one that came in here stirring up **** by saying some unknown guy on an unknown channel that nobody but you saw knows more about what's happening to Michael than his own **** doctors.
And the only reason I started this forum is because:
A - There was no McLaren forum at Sportnetwork and hasn't been for going on two years.
B - Even the Ferrari forum has shut down over there thanks to all the idiot trolls that flooding the place with complete bullshit.
C - It's completely free and I had nothing to do at the time.
That's about it.
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So the guy comes on and starts all the **** and then says he's getting bullied? WTF?
Look here, little boy - If you make a stupid argument and somebody calls you on it and proves you're full of ****, it's not bullying. It's simply proving you're full of ****.
Man up for **** sake.
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I just don't understand you guys, why so aggressive, is this how you live your lives, haven't you got the intelligence to have a proper debate without resorting to personal insults ???
The neurosurgeon commented on the knowledge we all have, even you two.
Based on three things, 1/ he had a massive brain injury causing catastrophic bleeding. 2/ he has had two operations to relieve the pressure and 3/ he's been kept on a coma for many weeks, and much longer than people who make a recovery usually spend in a coma. [That's common knowledge, your not going to say that is a load of **** are you??? maybe you will, maybe it is on your planet].
On one hand we have the opinion of a top neurosurgeon who deals with this stuff on a daily basis, and I therefore assume he knows what he's talking about. On the other hand we have the blinkered opinion of two ignorant idiots who basically know **** all apart from the fact that they want to insult and bully anyone who dares to say something they don't like - even if it is the truth.
I know who's opinion I would trust - the expert, not the idiots.
Bye
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Again, for the learning impaired:
This man has NEVER SEEN MICHAEL.
He has NEVER SEEN ANY OF THE MEDICAL INFORMATION.
He has NEVER SO MUCH AS BEEN IN THE SAME COUNTRY AS THE PATIENT, LET ALONE THE SAME HOSPITAL.
He knows NOTHING.
He is MAKING ASSUMPTIONS AND WILD GUESSES BASED ON OPINION ONLY WITHOUT ONE SHRED OF ACTUAL FACT.
End of story again.
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OH...and just one more small point:
YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW HIS NAME, WHO HE IS, WHERE HE WORKS, OR WHAT HIS CREDENTIALS ARE.
In fact, YOU HAVE NOT ONE SHRED OF EVIDENCE THAT ANYBODY ON EARTH EVER SAID WHAT YOU CLAIM.
So either post a link or shut the **** up you moron.
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I just don't understand you guys, why so aggressive, is this how you live your lives, haven't you got the intelligence to have a proper debate without resorting to personal insults ???
The neurosurgeon commented on the knowledge we all have, even you two.
Based on three things, 1/ he had a massive brain injury causing catastrophic bleeding. 2/ he has had two operations to relieve the pressure and 3/ he's been kept on a coma for many weeks, and much longer than people who make a recovery usually spend in a coma. [That's common knowledge, your not going to say that is a load of **** are you??? maybe you will, maybe it is on your planet].
On one hand we have the opinion of a top neurosurgeon who deals with this stuff on a daily basis, and I therefore assume he knows what he's talking about. On the other hand we have the blinkered opinion of two ignorant idiots who basically know **** all apart from the fact that they want to insult and bully anyone who dares to say something they don't like - even if it is the truth.
I know who's opinion I would trust - the expert, not the idiots.
Bye
Yea. This is that "In The Pits" moron from Sportnetwork.
Let me see if I got your right, asshat: A guy you can't name on a show you saw that nobody else did that works for a place you can't name that has credentials you can't show voiced a bunch of gibberish you say is true.
Have I got that right? I think I do. Because that's all you've posted to this point.
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Oh, so it all becomes clear! You think I'm someone else. :D
He doesn't have to have be in the same country, like I'm not in the same country as schumacher, but I know the above information just as you two closed minded trolls do.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/25938347
FROM THE TEXT
"Here, two experts - Professor Gary Hartstein, Formula 1's chief medic between 2005 and 2012, and Mr Colin Shieff, neurosurgeon at the National Hospital for Neurology and Neurosurgery in London - attempt to tackle some of those questions.
It is important to stress that neither man has been involved in the Ferrari legend's treatment, but they offer their insights into how a patient with injuries like Schumacher's might be treated and run through the possible prognoses based on their experience of similar cases. [BASED ON WHAT WE ALREADY KNOW]
Both Hartstein and Shieff believe it will be difficult for Schumacher to return to the same level of health he had before his accident.
"It is extremely unlikely, and I'd honestly say virtually impossible, that the Michael we knew prior to this fall will ever be back," Hartstein said.
"I think that it will have to be considered a triumph of human physical resiliency, and of modern neurointensive care, if Michael is able to walk, feed himself, dress himself, and if he retains significant elements of his previous personality."
Shieff agreed that outcome was "extremely unlikely".
"It is generally accepted that the longer a patient is in a reduced state of consciousness, the less likely they are to make a good recovery," he said.
"It is still possible to regain consciousness, but this is far from certain.
"At best, there will be handicaps in respect of communication, memory, mobility and independence.
"At worst, the patient may remain in 'low arousal state' with little awareness of surroundings, some response to comfort/discomfort, cycles of being alert, occasionally appearing to recognise or make attempt to communicate."
This is exactly what I reported in my first post.
Over to you two parm and miniparm to trash the opinion of two experts, surely there must be something you can say to prove they know nothing about nothing. ;D
As ever, please don't let the facts get in the way of your opinions.
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Operative words of the whole damn thing:
It is still possible to regain consciousness, but this is far from certain.
So they don't **** know.
And by the way, read up on these guys. Gary Hartstein is an anesthesiologist. He knows pretty much jack **** about neurological trauma. He puts folks to sleep for surgery. That's it.
And Sheif has already changed his story twice. Just a few days before that article (which is nearly 3 weeks old) he said it was "far too early to put such a label" on Michael in his initial statements.
They're both guessing in the dark to make a name for themselves. Neither one of them has the first clue about what Michael's injuries actually are, what actual operations have been done, and what level Michael is actually at as we speak.
COULD they be right? Sure. Maybe. Possibly.
COULD they be wrong? Yep. Sure. Right.
That's been the point from the beginning. THEY DON'T **** KNOW. And even THEY SAID SO IN THEIR STATEMENTS.
Idiot.
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The pertinent phrase is "I think that it will have to be considered a triumph of human physical resiliency, and of modern neurointensive care, if Michael is able to walk, feed himself, dress himself.
Yup, just like I said, in all probability he won't recover to that level.
This is the info in the public domain that these guys and other experts are commenting on. They make an assesment of the chances and degree of recovery to a brain that has recieved these typical injuries, so Parminio, they do know what the injuries are and they are better placed to say the likely outcome than you and minime. Do you want me to write it in a different language so you can understand the point?
http://media.i24news.tv/upload/cache/medium_image/upload/image/afp-713a217cfbf1bfed34a9a3b98b99ebe8d769371a.jpg (http://media.i24news.tv/upload/cache/medium_image/upload/image/afp-713a217cfbf1bfed34a9a3b98b99ebe8d769371a.jpg)
Had an idea, given that you know more about this than the experts you should to get on a plane to France and take over his treatment as you know so much more than the experts. You're full of sh!t aren't you? You don't bother how much sh!t you spout so long as you can do it with a sledgehammer in your hand. You preposterous sh!t eating w@nker! This is why you had to start your own forum cos no-one else wanted your Bullsh!t in theirs.
Of course the tradegy of this is that he probably made his own injuries much worse by fitting that camera that split his helmet wide open. I bet the helmet manufacturer is relieved they have that to rely on. In the meantime on a humanitarian level, I wish him a full recovery as unlikely as that is.
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But again, man, you are completely missing the point. The point is THEY ARE GUESSING.
An expert can tell you that me building a room in my basement without proper training can end in disaster. But guess what - I did it and it all worked out just fine.
There's a big difference between conjecture and guessing and then the actual facts - and right now the only guys that know any facts at all are the guys that are actually treating Michael. Everybody else, us included, have NO **** CLUE what's going to happen.
That's been our point from the outset. Experts can guess and talk **** all day long, but in the end unless they are the ones actually doing it they're clueless as the rest of us.
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No minime, they're not guessing, they are giving their expert views on his likely level of recovery based on the details of his injuries which are in the public domain.
I can understand how someone with your level of intelligence and knowledge would struggle to appreciate the difference between that and a guess, or indeed black and white, but do try to keep up there's a good chap.