McLaren Fans
General Category => Formula 1 Chat => Topic started by: hammerthief on Friday, May 30, 2014
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I feel he has had his days of glory and is now just going through the motions. Not really pushing the limits anymore but still just about quick enough. He has a lot of experience and can make good strategy calls but then so can my Grandmother.
Does McLaren still have the faith in him and importantly do Honda like what they see and hear from him these days? My 'feeling' is Honda want someone with hunger!! Riciardo, Grojean or even Bottas?
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In Jenson's defense, he hasn't had a car he could push the limit with in 3 years. That's no fault of his. I still think he has a few good years left in him.
I've never thought that Jenson was "real" championship material, but he is a good, solid driver. I think he'll get one more extension with McLaren...at least until McLaren get their act together somewhat and start challenging for wins. At that point, they'll shop around for a go getter driver I'm sure.
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I think Jenson has had it. Not saying he can't drive, but I think he's over it. He had nothing but **** cars to drive his whole career. He got one good one, made the best of it, and went right back to **** cars again.
I think he'll hang it up and get a job commentating once in a while. He's getting too old for this **** anyway.
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He may be in the older crew, but he is fitter than most of not all.
Give him a winning car and he will be wdc again i am sure.
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A winning car?? He had by far the best car on the grid and JUST managed not to throw it away!!
We need a driver that can win in not the best car....and doesn't whine about grip ALL the time. Jenson is good, fit etc but he just isn't in the same class as Lewis, Nico, Alonso (spit) etc....sure if the car is perfect in every way then he might be hard to beat, but can't rely on that to win a wcc or wdc.
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In fairness, Hammer, Brawn GP didn't have the development during the year that everybody else did. Sure, they started with a car 1.5 seconds faster, but by the 4th race the jig was up. Everybody else was introducing their own blown diffusers and negated that advantage. That's why Jenson almost lost it: He finished the year in the same car he stated with while everybody else got better and better cars.
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I agree that the Brawn didn't have the development of some of the other teams but they did win 6 out of the first 7 races, so were a bit more dominant than the just the first 4 races. In fact that year they won 8 out of 17 races. I seem to remember that Jenson even needed the help of the Brawn team to hobble the challenge of Rubens with a few cautionary pitstops at inconvenient moments. But as I get older and less wise my memory fades!!
I wait with baited breath for the driver announcement for next year....there is one interesting little thing that was brought to my attention last night, with John Walker/Diageo sponsorship McLaren cannot sign a driver under the age of 21 to drive in F1 races. I wonder who it was they had an eye on or are keeping an eye on??
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I agree except for the Rubens thing. I mean, come on. Rubens has had nothing but excuses his entire career. The simple fact for me is this - if your teammate won 6 of the first 7 races, why didn't you finish right behind him every time?
I mean, with the exception of mechanical failure, we're seeing that with Mercedes right now.
Rubens loves to play the victim card. He always has. Simple fact is he isn't that good. Never was. That's why he's not just been beaten by his teammates, he's been dominated completely by them.
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Yea...Rubens has always sort of played the victim. If it was at one team, that would be something. Two? Not very likely. Three? No way.
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Has that lucky 4th place saved his job??
I think Vettel is very lucky to be even walking away from that race.
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I was on vacation and didn't see it. I saw the highlight of Massa and Perez acting like idiots, but that was it. Funny how they blame each other when both of them jinked towards each other...a completely stupid thing to do since BOTH of them had half a damn acre to either side of the track they could have used.
Punks will be punks.
I really don't know that Jenson has to work too hard to "save" anything. At this point, no top driver in his right mind would drive for McLaren. They'll want to move to a winning team.
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Still not convinced that Button will be in a McLaren next year....seriously worried it might be Alonso!!
Why not go for Bottas?? He has really impressed me this year....
Any comments on the Spa race? Having watched the Ham-Rosberg incident several times inc. on board Rosberg does take a definite turn of the wheel into the rear wheel and certainly not away from contact.
A deliberate act that's decided a championship? A bit like Schum of old?
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Why not go for Bottas?? He has really impressed me this year....
Just like Perez...they are all good , but in different teams . ;)
We have a problem with the CAR not with drivers anymore . Hope that HONDA will bring something special next year or ...I donīt want to think about racing against Force India . >:(
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It's been that way since Martin took over. Frankly, I'm glad he's gone and Ron is back.
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Stories going around that Ron might have to step back when Alonso joins the team :-(
I can't believe we are getting this disaster zone back in a McLaren.
Glad Ferrari will have Vettel, they can only get worse from here on.
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I don't see it happening. Knowing what happened the last time, and the absolute disaster the team turned into under Whitmarsh, I don't see Ron going anywhere. If he does, it'll be pretty much the end of McLaren. Again.
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Why Ron must go if Alonso wants to come ? After all Alonso s nice words about Ron ? Hmm . Ron was out long enough to give Aloso a chance to come back . He didnīt and went to Ferrari . To be honest , I donīt support Ferrari s rejects even if that reject is Alonso . It is a matter of taste .
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Well only time will tell, we can only guess at the moment.
It has played rather nicely into Ron's hands for the negotiations....Alonso has nowhere else really to go...so Ron can say we'll pay you x rather than having to pay whatever he asks for...
on another note: if you were having a dinner with C Horner, is there anything you would like to ask him? Clean and polite questions...i'm not going to upset him...hopefully.
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Well, word around the camp fire is that Alonso has a deal with Honda, not with McLaren. So it's going to turn out like the Aryton Senna deal. Oh hell...here we go again.
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I will cheer for the other McLaren but i cannot cheer a car driven by the worst cheat the sport has known in recent years.
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I will cheer for the other McLaren but i cannot cheer a car driven by the worst cheat the sport has known in recent years.
Same here. I just can't stomach it. The crime of it all is that he's such a good driver he didn't need to.
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disappointed doesn't really cover it.
contract breaker button and cheat Alonso in the same team....i can't cheer for either of them.
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Me either. But God help me, I love McLaren so.
I just can't for the life of me figure out why you'd rehire a guy that ruined your team and ran you out of Formula 1. I just can't. I don't care how damn good he is, and let's face it, he's tops, he cheated huge, blamed everybody else, and got Ron relegated.
What really makes me mad as hell is Alonso is so damn good he doesn't have to cheat...and yet he has. Twice. I've been watching F1 since 1975. I have never in my life seen anybody cheat twice, ruin team bosses and others careers, and never get so much as a fine for it.
Simply staggering.
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just twice?
Piquet, Ferrari data, fernando is faster than you, mass dampers, and a few other things i could mention but would pop me into court i think....
on another note, have you seen the p13 road car? getting towards my price range now! Although the Mp4-12c is getting cheaper too now....i'd love a McLaren in the garage, always wanted one since i was at the British motorshow when the F1 was unveiled and there was no-one looking at it..... was allowed on the stand, sat in it and actually first met Ron then...i must have looked one scared kid.
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Well, the two big ones (Crash Gate and Ferrari Spy/Test Data Gate) were clearly Alonso as the only person that benefited from them directly was him. The Mass Damper was a design element from Renault on both cars. Team orders are team orders, and let's face it, Alonso was the best chance Ferrari had at winning. It sure as hell wasn't Massa.